Barnhorn Vs Barnhorne
posted by Nathan John on 21 Jul 2007 at 12:52 pm
I've got an old OS map here of the area, copyright 1980 although the data must have been taken within a few years of that date.
One thing I did notice is that there is a Barnhorn Manor on the opposite side of the road to Northeye Prison - however - just down the road (in the Bexhill direction) there is a Barnhorne manor.
This can not surely be a misprint?
Can anyone unwravel the mystery of the two Barnhorn(e)'s?
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Barnhorne Is Correct
posted by Tracey on 03 Apr 2008 at 2:05 pm
Don't worry no one is going mad, or any spelling mistakes. I live in Barnhorn Road and Barnhorne Manor (the farm) is the old spelling years ago monks lived there ( I know people from the farm and talked to them about the history when I moved here) and Barnhorn Manor has been named the modern way! The original is the old spelling, I don't know why they were allowed to name a second one, maybe because of different spelling, but there you go hope this may help.
Can We Talk More About Barnhorn Manor History?
posted by Patrick Allen on 02 May 2008 at 6:39 pm
Tracey, I just read your message about having heard some of the history of Barnhorne Manor and would like to know more. I am assisting Sussex Heritage in a project for trying to preserve the Old St. Helen's Church ruins, and Barnhorne is listed in the King Offa Charter of 772. Can you contact me at "editors at writing dash world dot com"? (I spelled out the e mail address to avoid spam bots. It is a dash and not an underscore.) Thanks, Pat.
posted by Tracey on 22 Sept 2008 at 9:49 pm
Hello Patrick, I will contact you
What Can I Say
posted by dave on 24 Jan 2009 at 4:26 am
The naming of both buildings has more to do with the ramblings of and outdated class system in England than any historical facts,I know both the owners of both Barnhorne manors well,and believe me this is about name only,Mr webster used to own the one by north eye,it was part of the battle abbey estate for many years,and the other one I believe has been there for many years ,which is the orignal has been the subject of much debate and amusement to those that know them,It makes me laugh still to this day,I wish I could say more but be happy in having two for the price of one.a bargain in anyones book.
posted by Barry Barnhoorn on 21 Feb 2009 at 12:04 pm
My name is Barry Barnhoorn from Holland, and I am trying to find the origin of my last name. I think I found it in Bexhill-on-Sea! I found the 772 AD document, the wiki for Barnhorne and all. It's great!
If anyone has more information on the origin of the name Barnhoorn / Barnhorn / Barnhorne / Berna Horna, please contact me at barrybarnhoorn and then add hotmail.com. Would be grateful!
BTW, there is a 'barnhoorn'-hyve here: http://barnhoorn4.hyves.nl. Hyves is a Dutch Facebook.
posted by edgar walker on 23 Sept 2009 at 2:28 pm
Has anyone ever tried to work out the boundaries of Barnhorne using the wording of the original charter ie"first to the moss spring, from the spring south to the coomb ,from the coomb to up to the small heath-field to puck's spring etc"
Surely there must be some clues in it.
Family Name 2
posted by Dick Barnhoorn on 03 Apr 2010 at 7:28 pm
There are a few thousand people with the surname BARNHOORN / BARNHORN in the Netherlands (and emigrated from there all over the world).
This name is derived from BARSINGERHORN, an old village in West-Friesland in North-Holland. The origin of 'Barsingerhorn' is probably Barse/Berse (a man's name) and Horn/Hoorn is commonly used for a sharp curve (for instance in a dyke).
There's no relation with the Barnhorn area in Bexhill.
posted by Christine Barton on 04 May 2010 at 6:09 pm
I found this site by accident and was immediately engulfed by old memories. From 1965 until 1980 1 had a caravan on the field at Barnhorne Manor farm. It was my escape from London and was very special to me and my children. I now live in Yorkshire and am quadriplegic so travel can be difficult and I have no idea if it still exists, but it will always remain in my memory as one of those perfect places. I would love to know if others are still enjoying this country retreat.
posted by SUE WARNE on 07 Jun 2010 at 1:25 pm
Just read Christine Barton's item about the caravan site. Yes it is still there and is still a retreat. It is so tranquil and the blue bell wood idyllic. The site owner sadly passed away last year, and the site is being kept on by younger members of the family.
Barnhorn Manor Caravans
posted by Frank Barrow on 14 Sept 2013 at 8:57 am
I live in a house on a hill opposite the Caravan Site and to date 14/9/13 it is still going and looks well maintained,
Must remember to look at that Bluebell Wood !
posted by Gary on 04 Jan 2014 at 6:55 pm
Comes from Byrna Hornan, Byrna was a name of a person and Hornan from a "corner of land" descriptive of land protruding into the marsh.
Frank Stentons Place names of Sussex
Barnhorne Boundary Posted By Edgar Walker
posted by Gary on 12 Jan 2014 at 3:20 pm
Yes, I tried finding some of the places mentioned in the AS charter, specifically "Thunorslege" a grove where Thunor (Thor) was worshipped, the passage in OE...
Þis synd þa land gemæro to Byrna hornan. Aerest op meoswille, of ðam wille suþ on þone cumb, of þam cumbe up on hone lytland hæþfeld on pucan wylle, suuæ suð 7 east on ða ealdan rode, andlang rode on þa ealdan mearce becan þe stent on east healfe þare rode, on þone deopon cumb on wiþig mere, of þam mere to fifwegan, 7 swa suð to þare readan sihtran, andlang riðe on Pican glinde, swa suð be/ eastwardan more oð ða hyrnan, swa east on iw edise, swa norð on þone woda, and swa east be ðam wuda, 7 swa suð to cyllan beorge, of ðam beorge to Cyllan wylle, west andlang streames on þunorslege, 7 swa andlang stremes west abutan þane sealtan merse, 7 swa norð to blacan riðe, up andlang riðe to Swinhamme, north andlang mores to siferþingc steorfan, 7 swa oð ðone norþran fulan ford, 7 swa up on þa ealden dic, andlang dice east and eft on meoswylle.
Given the size of Bexhill was 7 hides and Barnhorne taking up 3 its quite a large area stretching from Whitdenne (Whydown)/Gotham/Highwoods to Herbrand walk and the ancient settlement of Northeye to Codyngdune(Cooden) Heath. This area is based on a 13th C map the field system in use at the time.
Origin Of Name
posted by Dick Barnhoorn on 14 Jan 2014 at 6:45 pm
Very interesting that your (Frank's) explanation of the origin of the name (Barnhorne in Sussex) is so much similar to the explanation I've found for Barsingerhorn in the Netherlands.
In both cases the first part is orignally a man's name and the second part a piece of land protruding into marsh or water.
However unlikely, there may still be connection between the two.
Could you copy the page and/or references from Frank Stentons book for me?
772 A.D. is way before the Normans, so I expect Saxons were living in that area. Possibly Frisians who may have lived/raided along the North Sea coast as far South as Calais.
Barse was described as a Frisian man's name.
posted by Gary on 21 Jan 2014 at 11:08 pm
Wes þú hál Dick,
It doesn't really say much more than what I posted but here is the passage...
BARNEHORNE, UPPER AND LOWER
on berna hornan, on byrna hornan 772
The first element is the pers. name Byrna The second is horn(a) 'a corner of land' descriptive of land protruding into the marsh. For the weak form horna, Professor Ekwell notes the parallel of Warehorne, Werahorna.
I don't doubt the Frisian/Dutch connection given that Aella the first "Saxon" King of Sussex was from Ellewoutsdijk on the Westerschelde, as was his father Haegel whom the modern town of Hailsham is named after and possibly Haesta which Hastings is named after plus old English and Frisian are very similar.
Did You Ever Stay At Barnhorne Manor Caravan Park
posted by David T Brown on 27 Apr 2016 at 3:38 am
Does anyone have firsthand experience as a resident of Barnhorne Manor Caravan Park? We're about to acquire a static caravan on the site, and have been very impressed by the comments we have heard about the park and its surroundings (e.g. Christine Barton's nostalgic and lovely reminiscences above). We'd love to correspond with anyone who would like to share their experiences of the park, so we can get a sense of the history and character of the place. (We're Canadians, so we haven't got quite the same perspective that local residents enjoy). Drop us a line at davidtimothybrown(at)gmail.com. Thanks!
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